Naruto Faction Chat Thread #15 [Tokubobogatari Edition]

Jet wrote:ill go find him

Jec wrote:Although I am for the legalization of everything, I have to point out Lone that science is a consensus based. Although there is almost a general consensus that hemp has beneficial uses, the existence of one or two researches does not garantee it to be truth. Not even if the study is published in a prestigious journal. Many publications tend to have mistakes that are pointed out in the future.

There's a recent published study linking cannabis to negative brain deformation saying that it was the cause of said changes in the brain structures. Anti pot groups used it as a weapon but the study itself is extremely flawed. For starters they tried to establish a causal relation using cross-sectional data instead of a time series and used a small sample of 20 stoners...

My point is, watch out for bad science. Also, don't fall for sensationalist headlines, they tend to draw erroneous conclusions from studies and are used to easily manipulate people. A preferred tactic for pseudoscience like homeopathy and most conspiracy theories.

Jec wrote:http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/cannabis-cannabinoids-and-cancer-%E2%80%93-evidence-so-far

This is an excellent blog on Cannabinoids and Cancer... separating the truth from the bullshit. It's a good read.

BobGeneral wrote:

Jet wrote:That affluenza case really pissed me off. A kid is drunk driving kills a bunch of people and cripples ones for life and he gets off on influenza a fake disease pretty much saying his money made him do it. I actually saw some monsters on cnn defending him last year arguing "we cant send him in to jail he will be immediately attacked." Like millions of others less fortunate than him, yes.

Lone wrote:
It is a lot more than "one or two researches." All these pro cannabis science journals should get shut down if they're really all falsifying info and spreading disinfo, which I doubt. It would be logical to assume a few of those studies are wrong, but all of them? What is the basis for that assumption?

Also that brain study only mentioned brain scan abnormalities, not what they were exactly or if they were even negative. For example; commonly people have holes in their brain, but because someone doesn't have holes in their brain doesn't mean there's something wrong with them. Abnormality could be good, bad, or irrelevant entirely in the functionality of the brain. As you say it's a case of sensationalist headlines.

Most pseudoscience can be debunked somehow, I have yet to see anyone debunk any studies of cannabis in relation to cancer, seizures, or other illnesses. There aren't a lot of clinical trials since it's illegal for people to use even in the context of scientific study (once again, this is due to the blind hatred and unscientific outlawing of cannabis), but there's tons of people who have taken cannabis and their tumors shrunk and/or their cancer went away entirely. There's no debunking of those people no longer having cancer going on either. If it's false it can, and should, be debunked. The stringent anti-drug people really need to step up their game.

Additionally there's nothing supporting D's claims at all, not even one study. He just spouts endless baseless allegory and feelings. Weed isn't a narcotic like he says, it doesn't make people morally corrupt (don't even know how you could test for that), and it isn't harmful.

Jet wrote:I downloaded a dual audio anime. I have a microSD

Im not sure whats wrong with the files though whenever I try to skip past the opening it skips to the second episode instead. Do you know any reliable sites with the EP dub

Jet wrote:damn no dwl?

Jec wrote:

I know Lone, I'm pro cannabis use and research, my point is, we have to be careful where we get our info. Most sensationalist headlines that say Cannabis treats every type of cancer and that is simply not true. Most studies don't even conclude hemp treats cancer, only state possible positive effects on people since they can't truly test it on people, just petri dishes yet the headlines state "cure".
Also, there are studies that state, once again, possible negative effects of Cannabis  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15026328
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15749859
So it all comes down to individually analyzing each study, trying to find flaws or truly understanding their scope and see if the headline fits the study's conclusions and abstract.

And lastly, images on facebook with witty remarks and youtube videos is not enough evidence.
I end with the famous quote of unknown origin that I have had to apply in econometrics (But applies to any science, both natural and social)

"The plural of anecdote is not data"